at the very least, this court is going to say that proposition 8 is unconstitutional and the other states with same sex marriage can continue on with that. so at the very least, i think that's been won today. >> there are many people who still don't view this as part of the civil rights struggle or as part of a civil rights issue, so then what do you say? >> i say you're sadly mistaken. i understand particularly if you're black and you like to think of the civil rights as something black people do, we did it, we did it successfully, we won great victories, and we ought to be happy that other groups, gay people, lesbians, women, other groups of the american population have embraced our techniques, even our songs, but this is not something we own. it's something we ought to share with others and say try this, we did this and it worked, try this, don't do this, it didn't work that well. other things we ought to say to people, do what we did, we'll help you if we can, and remember, we are among you. it's not like the gay people are over here, the black people over here.